Braille Games

Hadley Learning Expert Elyse Heinrich presented this week on games available in braille. The group shared their favorites and learned some new ones!

December 12, 2019

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Embracing Braille – Braille Games

Presented by Vileen Shah and Elyse Heinrich

December 12, 2019

Vileen S: Good morning, everybody. This is Vileen Shah, your host for Embracing Braille group, welcoming you. Today we are not going to be so serious. We are going to play games. It means we are going to talk about the games available in braille. Braille games, and the presenter is known to you all, none but our own Elyse Heinrich. Over to Elyse.

Elyse H: Thanks everyone for joining. My name's Elyse and I'm happy to be here today and returning back in the group. Some of you I've met via email and some not, so just a little about me. I work with Hadley Institute. I'm on the AIR team, A-I-R standing for Adjustment to Living with Blindness, Independent Living, and Recreational and Leisure Skills. So that's my domain. I'm on a team of seven or eight of us, and we're working on developing new workshops for the new year with Hadley. I also have another foot in teaching. I teach braille for visual learners in uncontracted. Also contracted courses. I'm teaching some of the high school students who are still working through Hadley on different courses, like container gardening and chess for beginners, and advanced chess. So I'm happy to be with Hadley and love getting to know all of you through this opportunity. And like Vileen said, I'm going to talk about games and about playing.

Vileen S: What did you do before coming to Hadley, Elyse? Just tell people a little more about yourself.

Elyse H: Oh, sure. Before Hadley ... I'm just so excited to play. Before Hadley I worked at the Center for Deaf-Blind Persons in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and was more face-to-face training and support for adults with both hearing and vision loss. The combination creating the dual sensory loss, deaf-blind. I do American Sign Language tactilely, also visually, and I do braille visually, and before I worked with the adults on the spectrum of deaf-blind I worked with children with visual impairments or who were blind in school-age programs. So I worked in public schools with children 3 years old all the way through 21 who were working on more life skills and transitioning to either colleges or trades or professions. So I've been in the low vision, blind field, deaf, hard of hearing world for about 10 years, and I really enjoy it and I really love it and it's so fascinating to me to see all the changes and updates and just meet people throughout life, everyday things, and to be able to support you in what you're doing and where you're at and to really work together to have a better life.

Vileen S: Great.

Elyse H: Okay, so the topic today Vileen had asked me to talk about, which I'm happy to do, is about playing games. How many of us like or maybe love to play games? Some of those all-time favorite games might be a little out of our reach with a change in vision loss or if you're blind, and the board games are all for visual players. But there's adaptations for those of us with reduced vision or no vision, so I want to just touch on a couple things and also open it up for your comments, because I'm sure some of you have some great tried and true tips and things, or games that you'd like to share as well. When we're choosing a game or a puzzle, we want to make sure that it's not going to be too frustrating to adapt for ourselves or for the group that we're playing in, and you're saying to yourself, "How do I know if it's going to be too hard? I've never done it." Well, I want to talk about a variety of ideas and some puzzles and other activities that you can do interactively with groups or by yourself, or some of these ideas I'll mention will be computer-based, so hopefully giving you a few ideas to get started and to check out to see if you'd like them or not.

I'd like to feature an all-time favorite card game. Some of you might have heard this from other sources, but most recently Mattel has teamed up with the National Federation of the Blind to make Uno Braille, and this is the first official Uno card deck featuring braille, which then they boast making it accessible to more than 7 million people with blindness and low vision. The braille Uno cards have braille on the corner of each card to indicate what the card color is and the number or the action, like some of those Draw 2 or Draw 4's, or Reverse cards. They also have a instructional manual in a braille readable file that you can download with voice enabled instructions. Or excuse me. The instructions are downloadable for the braille-ready file, or if you have an A lady, there's voice-enabled instructions that you can ask your A lady or Google Home and have them just be read. So make sure you can refresh on the rules and to know if anybody is cheating, because you never know. This Uno game is on shelves now at some of the bigger box stores, and just in time for your last minute holiday shopping if you're looking for a gift or maybe you put that on your list, and it really increases awareness of braille I think in our community to have Mattel or some of these bigger companies start to include braille on playing cards rather than yourself having to braille out a card or a deck of cards, or maybe two or three that you would have for your own games. Last I saw it was available for about 10 dollars, and I'll include the link for Target in our show notes today.

Another idea I wanted to share with you are some different games to play and how to play. Rather than reading through the manual or shuffling through the game itself to see what it's about, there's a YouTube channel and it's called Skip the Rulebook. What I liked about this; it has different videos. They're maybe 5 to 10 minutes each, and the videos have explanations of what comes in the game, what's in the box, or the bag. It talks about the basic rules, and it also has some people. They have two people talking about the game, and then they'll have more people join in for some sample rounds to show how the game works and just to get a feel for how you would move, how you play, when to choose a card or not, and some of the ins and outs of it. I'm going to pause because I see a hand up here, so let me see. Kelly. Are you unmuted here?

Vileen S: Kelly [inaudible]

Elyse H: Yep. Kelly, can you hear us?

Kelly: Yeah. Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Elyse H: Great.

Kelly: I was going to say, you were talking about different games. I have a few here that I've got over the years. One was a Mastermind game, which I believe was made by the RNIB in England, and I say that because the manual is written in the UK English braille format, but it's quite interesting and I never really did very well with that game, but it's kind of neat. The other one that I have is a game. It was Scrabble. It's the big board and you've got your different tiles. Of course there's braille, but I will admit, I don't know if this is really much of a tip so much as a confession, but nobody will play with me anymore on that game, for the reason that I must admit. I cheated in that game. I was effectively caught cheating. What I would do, and again, this is like I say, this isn't really a tip but, I would-

Vileen S: That's a good lesson for you not to cheat next time for other games.

Kelly: What I would do is I would reach into the bag of tiles, and you know how you normally just grab a handful. Well, I would just basically feel on the braille and so I was like, "Okay, now let's see. I need an S. Let's see. M. N. O. Oh, here we go." Get out the letter I want, put it on the board. I got caught doing that. Now nobody will play with me anymore. Darn.

Elyse H: Oh, wow. Well I'm not pointing fingers, but I do appreciate your confession. Look at that. Braille gives you a one-up on your sighted companions there. Thanks so much for sharing. I'm smiling. Beth, I see your hand is up. I'll go ahead and get your audio together. Here you go.

Beth: I did purchase Uno cards when the National Federation ... when you could order online, but what does ... They had X. First of all, what does that X they had ... Like after the color they'd have an X, or after the number. I'm not sure why the X was, and the second question. They'd have ... Like, you know how a number 7 in braille is just like a G?

Elyse H: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Beth: So it was hard for me to tell what, you know, because one time I said "7" when it was supposed to be green. They don't have it dropped like in the Nemeth Code, so I was wondering like the newer version now. Yeah, I'm glad they have a manual for instructions because that was my complaint too. They had them in print, which for the blind we wouldn't have any idea. Over.

Elyse H: This is Elyse. Good questions. I don't have a set myself, and I'll be honest. I didn't look too deeply into the manual, but I will jot this down and follow up with you about the X.

So, Skip the Rulebook was the YouTube videos, and it explained what's in the box or the bag, some of the basic rules, and then I was talking about the sample rounds that they show on the video and they're really good videos where the visuals are not dependent. They use a lot of good speech, and it's not necessarily geared for low vision or those who are blind, but I did watch a handful and their speech really carries the message. Other ideas about adapted games or puzzles. That there's large print playing cards. They're the regular size but the numbers are large and bold, so it makes it a little bit easier to recognize the cards. Each suit is in a different color, and they're called E like elephant, Z like zebra, EZ See, S-E-E Bicycle Player cards. They also have a deck for pinochle or standard bridge decks if you're a pinochle or bridge player. To go along with the cards there's a tabletop card holder that is an adapted option where you don't have to hold the cards in your hand to spread them out. It's more of a little plastic piece with an inlet that you can put each card to stand up.

Another idea for games and adapted with braille is adapted dice. How many like Yahtzee? There's different dice sets that have raised dots for each number. I have also seen dice that have braille on each side of it, not a print number. So the raised ones come with good contrast, with usually a white square with black dots that are raised, and I have the contact information. Let me get over to that. For dice, and then there's also an advanced dice rolling program where you can do a dice roll on a computer or a iPhone, and it has 12 different options so depending on what game you're playing you can use up to 12 dice per roll. You can change the sounds of each die, and you can re-roll or do a multiple roll. Different options doing this online. Some people play Dungeons and Dragons, Yahtzee, or dice poker, so this is called GMA Dice, which is a self-voicing and so a screen reader is not even needed. A family member could have this on their computer to play, or you could bring it, and it's free. The best part about it. It's a free dice rolling program.

Some other ideas with some games is if they are print, like Monopoly or Sorry, some of those traditional board games, some of them are now coming out with large print boards, and also braille overlays, which have different braille and letters and tiles and different tactile markings on the board that coincides with the colored markings on a regular board. Some of the boards also have a raised outer border that will help to keep all the tiles, cards, and moving pieces in its place. So it kind of looks like a big tray, but then there's also raised plastic pieces throughout to help you count the pieces or know which square you're on. Monopoly contains extra-large playing cards, and also has a braille and large print option. Again, that Monopoly game has an overlay that sits on a regular print board but will help identify the properties in various spaces.

Chinese checkers. They have different shaped instead of different colored playing pieces, so you can do that tactilely, and the wooden board has holes that you can put each piece into. Instead of like a regular circular marble that just sits on a spot, a wooden board has little holes like a pegboard to keep your pieces in place and then you can explore the layout tactilely without pushing things around too much. There's adapted versions of Sudoku, chess, backgammon, cards, dice, and even bingo. There's bingo boards that are available in large print and also with braille. I'll be really curious to hear if any of you have these in your house or have used them before.

The computer games. I know I mentioned the dice. There's also blind hangman, and it's free download and it's hangman traditional game of where you guess letters to try to guess a word, but it's all done with computer keyboard commands and speech output. I will warn you or just let you know my experience. The easy level of blind hangman was really hard. Some of these words I thought were way over my head, but maybe you love it and you can always try it out. Blind hangman. Also this website., or really has a choice of over 40 games on their website that are all computer-generated keyboard command with speech output generated. I won't list the whole thing here, but I will put it in our notes for later if you're interested in that. Then, couple other options before I open it up for the group. Where did I find some of these? And I'm sure you'll have great ideas. Braille Bookstore is a good one to start with card games. They have large print, braille cards, braille bingo boards, and even bingo calling blocks available. MaxiAids has a lot of cards and some low vision large print options as well. Then myself and another coworker, we dabbled on this topic a little bit on the Get Up and Go discussion group through Hadley, and that was back in October 2019. So if you're really interested to dive more into games and a little bit more electronic version of games, go check out the archives from the October 2019 Get Up and Go. That's I guess my quick and dirty spiel, but I'd love to hear your ideas or workarounds that you've found. If anybody has experience with the Uno game, please chime in. I know. We'll learn from each other. Great.

Vileen S: Okay, great. Thank you so much Elyse. Before we open up for the questions, let me thank you for this marvelous presentation, and you mentioned something about A lady. I'm interested in her now. I'm kidding. I meant to say, if you could tell us more about that A lady. I think that's some kind of a reading device or something.

Elyse H: Sure. The Amazon Echo is, yes, and the code word to get her to listen in is the name. Starts with an A. I won't say it because your device might ping off, and if it's connected with your app or through a computer-

Vileen S: Yeah, iPhone, computer.

Elyse H: And it's a voice-activated search of sorts to the Internet.

Vileen S: Oh, that's fabulous. Thank you. Okay.

Elyse H: Yes. You're welcome.

Vileen S: Good questions and appreciate your input. It was terrific.

Elyse H: Wonderful. I see we have a handful of hands.

Vileen S: Wow. That's good.

Elyse H: So I am happy to share, and I'll go from the top down. Jodie, you're first in line.

Jodie: Yes, hello.

Elyse H: Hi.

Jodie: I have a funny story to tell about Uno. When my daughter was young, I had low vision and so when we played Uno, I would hold the cards really up close to my nose so that I could see them, and she would always win. And she admitted years later that the reason was that I held the cards up so close to my face that the color of the card would reflect in my face, and she knew what I was going to play.

Elyse H: Oh my gosh.

Vileen S: Interesting.

Elyse H: How clever.

Jodie: So I'm very happy Uno cards are now available in braille and I'll be getting some.

Vileen S: Yes.

Jodie: I also wanted to recommend, there's a lot of blind games on the iPhone and I'm sure on the Android too. Blindfold is the name of the company, but there's also a lot of games that are just mainstream games like Chess-wise, and so a lot of the standard games are also accessible on the iPhone. I actually have Uno on my phone. I can't remember if that was accessible or not, but there's a lot of games that are-

Vileen S: A lot.

Jodie: Specific for blind players, but also a lot of the regular games are accessible.

Vileen S: Yes. That's good. So good, and that was so interesting Jodie. So you know now the importance of braille. If you have had braille cards, you would have won the game.

Jodie: That's true. Yes. Well thank you, and merry Christmas and namaste.

Vileen S: Thank you. Namaste. Okay, next one.

Elyse H: Great. Donald, you're next in line.

Vileen S: Oh, Donald. The experienced man. Okay.

Donald: I just want to find out, how do I get the course notes? I never was told how to do that?

Elyse H: You're talking about the show notes for after this call?

Donald: Yeah.

Elyse H: Good question. To access the show notes you can go to Closer to the bottom of the page is Embracing Braille, because it's a weekly meeting and if you select Embracing Braille and then about the middle of the page there will be the archives, audio file, the written transcript, and then I'm going to double check as I say it here. There'll be a button that says "show notes" which you can then expand on that button show notes, and that's where all our links will be for this topic.

Donald: How do you expand?

Elyse H: With an enter or a 3-6 chord if you're using a braille display or enter key and a double tap.

Donald: Okay.

Elyse H: If other people have found a workaround let me know, but that's my quickest way.

Vileen S: You can try Donald, and then let us know if it didn't work or you can always send an email. Okay?

Donald: Okay. Thank you.

Vileen S: Welcome.

Elyse H: Thank you. Kelly, you're next in line.

Kelly: I just had a couple of questions. The first one is being curious in that blind hangman game for the computer. I've got a whole bunch of games actually that you can play on the computer, but I'm always interested in finding out about newer ones in there. Let's see. The other question was about the Sudoku games. I'm curious as to how people play that, because I have tried for years to play a Sudoku puzzle and I am terrible at it. I do have a book that I got from National Braille Press years ago that they provided for free back then. I think it just had 10 easy Sudoku puzzles, and I didn't have a board at the time or anything to use with it, although I don't know if you necessarily need that. But like I said I'd be curious as to how people would use an adaptive board for that kind of game.

Elyse H: Great questions. Blind hangman, do you want the link now? Or I can send that to you later.

Kelly: Now would be okay, or if you want to put it in the show notes that's fine too.

Elyse H: Yep. So it's www.O-M-N like Nancy, I like indigo, N like Nancy, E-T. Or if you search "blind gamers" it should pop up, and that's blind hangman is part of their choices of games. They have about 40 listed there.

Kelly: That wouldn't be the Spoonbill Software suite of games, would it? I think is what they called. There is a company that also has hangman. I think it's called Spoonbill Software out of Australia, and I don't know if it's that one you're thinking about there but they've-

Elyse H: I'm not 100% sure but I can definitely check into that. I'm familiar with that too, Spoonbill.

Kelly: Because they've got a bunch of card games as well that you can play on the computer. I don't think you can do it with braille, like a braille display, but you can definitely play with speech, and they're at, and then you'd click on the link for the blind gamers page.

Elyse H: Oh, great. Thanks for sharing. I will look into that too. Allen K, you're next in line.

Allen K: Hey there.

Vileen S: Hi.

Allen K: I've got a Scrabble game from MaxiAids and it sits on a rotating pedestal so it's raised up, has the board that has the wells where the tiles fit in, which make it easy so it doesn't slide around, but you still have to use a very light touch otherwise you can still knock tiles out. But it's also great if you want to even just play by yourself to practice your braille and to create words and to be able to read it, because it takes a little practice reading in different directions. Like if you're doing horizontal like that, it's a little bit harder to read that as opposed to reading across the line like you normally would, but it's a fun game to play with yourself or others. Over.

Elyse H: What a great idea. Just to practice your braille reading, and I agree. It takes a little bit to use the tiles, as it's a letter by letter by letter, to get orientated and to use it on a board. Thanks for sharing.

Vileen S: I can add one thing here. That if you really practice, you can read braille vertically, horizontally, as you normally read in straight lines but have that page or book put in such a way that you're to read from top to bottom, move your hand from top to bottom, and it's doable. I'm telling you from my personal experience that it would be great if you can read both ways, and therefore this game should be easy to play. Thank you. Okay, next.

Elyse H: Great. Next we have Beth. Can you hear us?

Beth: Yeah, yeah. Now, somebody talked about the phone. There is a Family Feud game, but I was wondering if they have it in braille. Over.

Elyse H: Okay, so Beth's looking for a Family Feud game in braille. Is that right?

Beth: Yeah. Yeah.

Elyse H: Okay. I'm going to open that up to our community. If someone else would like to join in, or I can get back to you.

Beth: Okay.

Vileen S: That's good initially, yes. Okay?

Elyse H: Okay. Rhonda, you're next in line.

Rhonda: Hi.

Vileen S: Hi.

Rhonda: I like to follow the podcast, because they not only say what is accessible with the, and this will only be Apple devices, with the VoiceOver screen reader but they also review what's wrong with some of the ones that are not that save you frustration of not being accessible, so I like both of those things. I've tried the blindfold bowling and I like the sound of the pins going down. That's a fun thing to do. I know people who play Magic: The Gathering and there's an app that is accessible that you could play Magic: The Gathering with other people if you wanted to do that. There's even, you can be chased by zombies to step up your work on your treadmill. So it's AppleVis, podcast.

Elyse H: Okay, so were you talking about AppleVis as well that tells you what's good about a game or what might not be so good about the game as well?

Rhonda: Only on Apple devices.

Elyse H: On Apple devices, okay.

Rhonda: With the VoiceOver or screen reader, yeah.

Elyse H: Oh, great. Great resource. Thank you. Okay, we have another hand. Tatiana. Did I say that right?

Vileen S: Tatiana, yes.

Tatiana: You said there was a Chinese chess that uses different shapes instead of colors?

Elyse H: Yes, the Chinese checkers game. They've adapted it. Instead of the marbles they use different tactile markings or little pieces, and then it's in a pegboard instead of just sits on a circle as marbles as a traditional marble would.

Tatiana: Oh, good. Because it's been pretty hard when you got colorblindness playing a color game.

Elyse H: Right. Right. Or if it's not good contrast. Might be harder to see the colors on top of being colorblind. That would definitely be a challenge. Well thanks for joining in. I'll be sure to post about the Chinese checkers adapted board.

I'm going to jump in quick. I think it was Beth that was asking about the Uno cards and what the X means.

Vileen S: Yes. That was Beth.

Elyse H: Okay, so in my intermission I looked up on Google and if you're playing the Uno game, but it's called Uno Attack, it's similar to the regular game of Uno but Attack is more, I guess aggressive. The X card means that you discard all, so when you play you discard all the colors of that same color as your discarded card. For instance if the top of the pile is a green number 6, you can play all your green cards on one round, and then play resumes after the player who discarded all of them as usual.

Vileen S: Ah, so X looks like a commander, army team.

Elyse H: Yeah, so double check if you're playing Uno Attack or the regular game, but that's what good old Google told me.

Vileen S: It's like UberX. If you take UberX, you're the only one to go. You discard everybody else.

Elyse H: Right. Dennis, can you hear us?

Jasmine: It's actually Jasmine [inaudible]. I'm sorry.

Elyse H: Oh, excuse me. Jasmine.

Vileen S: Who is it? Jasmine? Oh yeah, okay. Long time. Yes.

Jasmine: Yeah, I know. Okay, so I had a question about the hangman. I was wondering if they have hangman in braille, because I just got the braille Uno a couple weeks ago and I wonder if they have the hangman in braille. That would be so cool, like good practice.

Elyse H: It sure would be. I personally haven't seen a tactile game of hangman. I'm wondering if anybody else has. And if not, I'll be happy to research and get back to you about that as well, Jasmine.

Jasmine: Okay.

Vileen S: Yeah. Thank you for asking.

Jasmine: Oh, you're welcome.

Vileen S: There are two more hands. Wow, that's good.

Elyse H: Okay, let's see. Beth you're next in line.

Beth: I was wondering, I have the games on the computer, like how many players, because I have an issue. I have one player. You know, I'm totally blind. One friend is visually impaired so she can see some, but she really can't read my screen that well, and then another person. They're both mentally challenged, and the other person probably is a fourth-grade reading level, so how could I play computer games with them? Over.

Elyse H: Okay. Yes, good question. So you're having a few people play. You're in the same room, I'm gathering.

Beth: Yeah, yeah. Like if I have people over to my apartment. One has never really used a computer, but she has limited vision too, but she really can't see my screen that well if she can see it at all, so that's where my dilemma is. That's when we kind of feel a little limited there. So like if I want to play different games, and my other question. I've bought games from Amazon. I don't know if it's Scrabble but it's with letters and you're supposed to try to make words with a certain letter, and they sell it in braille on there, but the instructions are in print.

Elyse H: Oh boy.

Beth: So I wonder where I could ... Yeah, I hate that. I don't know if somebody maybe brailled the cards. I don't know why they did that.

Elyse H: Oh yeah, does it come in a little zipper pouch? Or is it more of like a drawstring?

Beth: It's kind of like a real small, small box. It's not really big like the ... And it has different ... You know, with the different letters you have to make I think it's four-letter words.

Elyse H: Oh, yeah. Like a Boggle.

Beth: Yeah.

Elyse H: B like boy, Boggle. B-O-G-G-E-L. Yeah. Okay. A Boggle game. I can get back to you on Boggle game directions, and your comment about playing with people in the house. How do you adapt that? I'm wondering if other people on our call could also help answer that.

Beth: Well yeah, yeah. Anything would help.

Elyse H: Oh sure. I'd love to open that up for the group. I see we have another hand, so I'll keep going down the list. We'll come back to you, Beth.

Beth: Okay.

Elyse H: Allen, you're next in line.

Allen K: As far as the tactile hangman, if you have a braille display, I’m asking because I don't know. If you have a braille display and you connect to electronic hangman, wouldn't that work as a tactile hangman game for you? Over.

Elyse H: I think in the perfect world that would be awesome. I personally have not tried that, but I see where the potential could be. So if the audio hangman "plays well" with the braille display. I've not done it. Has anybody else?

Vileen S: Well I know that the braille displays are not perfect.

Elyse H: Unfortunately yes.

Vileen S: Unfortunately.

Elyse H: Jeffrey, I see a brave hand up from you.

Jeffrey: Yes, can you hear me?

Elyse H: Yes.

Vileen S: Yes.

Jeffrey: I was going to suggest, I don't have it, but I would suggest that maybe the Scrabble pieces could be utilized in a way to play hangman with a group of people maybe or something. I mean it does have braille and it has letters, so I mean it would just be up to your imagination on how to use it for hangman. Over.

Vileen S: Oh, this is great. If it can be done.

Elyse H: Sure, if you played with a partner. So one person would know the secret word and then the other person would be guessing letters to solve the riddle. That would really be a great idea for a partner game. Thank you for sharing, Jeffrey. I see Jasmine's hand is up. Is this Jasmine?

Jasmine: Yes ma'am.

Elyse H: Oh, great. Okay. Make sure I got you.

Jasmine: I wanted to see if there is a possibility if there could be like a braille word search. I thought that would be cool, because I love word searches.

Elyse H: Looking for a braille word search. Great. Anybody have experience?

Vileen S: Anybody here who knows, please share.

Elyse H: Alright, Allen K. You're next in line.

Allen K: Dennis Sellers who gets on some of these calls occasionally, he subscribes to a magazine through the library and it's called Conundrum, and in that it has a lot of puzzles in there as well as word search. There's crossword, there's word searches, other things in there, so you might check with your library to try and see if you can get Conundrum and that might give you a source there for it, and I think it's monthly or bimonthly that it comes out. Over.

Vileen S: Oh, great. I never heard that.

Jodie: [inaudible]

Vileen S: Thank you.

Elyse H: That's a great idea, so check in with the NLS Library for Conundrum Magazine as a possibly monthly edition with some puzzles in that.

Vileen S: Or bimonthly probably.

Elyse H: Or bimonthly.

Vileen S: How do you spell "conundrum" by the way?

Allen K: I knew you were going to say that. How do you spell "conundrum?"

Automated Voice: Conundrum, C-O-N-U-N-D-R-U-M.

Vileen S: Oh, great. See?

Elyse H: Wonderful.

Vileen S: The solution is immediate. Wow. Thank you.

Jodie: [inaudible]

Vileen S: Okay. This was so interesting. Good. Alright, I think there are two more hands, so I'm happy to ...

Elyse H: Okay. Person, your phone number starts 604. Do you have a comment to share with us?

Dennis: This is Dennis again.

Elyse H: Oh. Hi Dennis.

Dennis: I used to play hangman on the computer, slot machine, roulette, blackjack, and that was through Jim Kitchen. I don't know if you guys heard about Jim Kitchen.

Vileen S: Me. Go ahead.

Dennis: The guy was blind himself. He did all these games, but I stopped playing. I lost a game a while back, but that was back maybe about four years ago, and then each time you guess, or like somebody mentioned earlier, you guess the letter. You type it in. It was all with voice and you just with your keyboard you punch A, or B, or whatever and then you'll take an arm, a leg, and once you hang the trapdoor open then you hung yourself. So Jim Kitchen. That was the website. Over.

Vileen S: Hey, wonderful. Thank you so much.

Dennis: Also, that was free, right? That was a free download. Over.

Vileen S: That's more important. Thank you.

Elyse H: For sure.

Vileen S: Anybody else who can share more information? I may tell you, I'm also nearly zero in games. I know how to play cards of course. A little bit of chess. Okay, any more?

Elyse H: I don't see any more hands up at the moment.

Vileen S: Okay. One question that I found ... Oh, somebody raised their hand so without going too general, let's take this question.

Elyse H: Alright. Sesion, you're next in line.

Sesion: Yes. As Vileen said, I also haven't any experience like with braille games and all, but I wanted to ask, can you play those games with sighted people like all together? I wonder, I'm sighed at home so can I play these games with my sisters, brother and all who are sighted?

Elyse H: So you're asking about playing a game that has braille on it with also sighted family members?

Vileen S: Exactly.

Sesion: Yeah. Yeah.

Vileen S: That's her question.

Elyse H: Oh, sure.

Vileen S: Can she play with sighted partners, with braille for her? Yeah, sure. I used to play cards a lot with braille cards. Everybody else was sighted and I just used braille.

Sesion: So these cards contain both the braille representation and the normal print?

Vileen S: Yeah, yeah.

Sesion: Both together.

Vileen S: They contain both braille and print. Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Sesion: Okay. Thank you.

Vileen S: Okay. Alright, anymore?

Elyse H: I see Beth. Your hand is up. I'll go ahead unmute you.

Vileen S: There you go Beth.

Beth: Oh, me?

Elyse H: Yep, there you are.

Beth: I was wondering. I just thought of the game Spoons. I think you play that with cards. You kind of have to go fast, but is there such a thing in braille? The braille game, Spoons?

Elyse H: I know Spoons, and could you use a braille deck? Although there might have to be a timer on the table, because it is a fast-moving game.

Beth: Yeah, that's the thing. I have motor problems so it's kind of difficult to move fast, but I guess if you want to start and-

Elyse H: Right. If you get four of the same number, then you can reach into the middle and there's a physical spoon like you'd eat with that's on the table. But say you only have five players. There's only four spoons available in the middle, so if you're the last person to reach your hand in once you see somebody else reach their hand in, then you're eliminated. That's how I played, but with spoons.

Beth: Oh, yeah. I think that's how.

Elyse H: Yeah, it can get really intense.

Beth: Yeah. Sometimes it just bothers me being blind if I can't-

Elyse H: What about if you had a sighted buddy that you were doing the cards but they would give you a little clue, like a tap on your shoulder if they noticed somebody else was reaching for a spoon, and then you wouldn't necessarily have to have four of a kind but you could also reach in and try to get a spoon?

Vileen S: Yes.

Beth: Oh. Well that might be a good idea. I'll have to try that because-

Vileen S: [crosstalk]

Beth: I like to be included in games. Yeah.

Elyse H: Right, right. You're missing the visual cues, which is part of it. Yeah.

Beth: Yeah.

Vileen S: Like, somebody has to help me. Okay, great.

Elyse H: Thank you. Jasmine, you're next in line.

Jasmine: Okay, so I have two questions this time. Two games. I was wondering if it's also possible if there's like a Sorry in braille and Twister in braille. Over.

Elyse H: This is Elyse. I have heard about Twister in braille, but really it's different textures for the different colors so not your right hand on red, but right hand on a bump, or something. So I will add that in, and the board game Sorry. Those are some of the board games that you can get with that plastic overlay that sits on the printed, colored original board, and then also the Sorry cards are available adapted, so either large print or braille versions, whichever you'd like. I'll be sure to include those. I don't have it off the top of my head. I will add them in there.

Jasmine: Ooh.

Elyse H: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. There’s Twister with textures. Alright, do we have time for one more? Last hand up. Here is Tatiana.

Tatiana: I was also wondering two things. If there was a braille for Sorry Sliders, and if there happened to be a tactile for the dreidels.

Elyse H: I'm not sure about the Sorry Sliders game. I can look into that, and I'm not sure about dreidels either.

Vileen S: That brings us to the end of this session. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for participating, for asking questions, for bringing in brave, I may say troublemaking questions, and that makes us stronger so that's fine. Appreciate always so feel free to ask. Once again, thank you everybody for participating in this session today, and before I wish you a good week ahead and good weekend I may want to remind you that next week, we are going to have a presentation on how to increase finger sensitivity. I am more than certain many of you, I will say all of you should be interested in that. I'm also interested. I'm told that I have good finger sensitivity but I am still interested in learning, so thanks to Allen Kmiotek who is going to tell us about how to increase finger sensitivity, and that is December 19, 2019 so do not miss this, and I'll see you all a week from today. Enjoy. Take care. Bye bye.